OK it’s time to see what the general consensus is as it pertains to the allegations that have been leveled towards SD. I am not saying this, that, or the other about it, but I do want to get the impressions of the general public. So make your voice heard and vote on what perception you have on what is going on.
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SD is now a magnet. This makes recruiting allegations almost impossible to prove. If a parent is willing to enroll their child in SD because of the magnet there is not much recourse anymore. In the past they have been guilty of recruiting just like everyone else in the state (um can you say Oviedo). The FHSAA does not enforce its own rules, therefore why would anyone follow them. The FHSAA uses selective enforcement when they want to make an example of someone. That is it!
My son wrestled in Middle School and performed admirably. He is a freshman at a magnet which does not have a wrestling program and we are told he cannot wrestle for another school because the magnet has other athletic programs. This seems wrong. He loves wrestling and I think he should be allowed. (OK wrong blog, but I'm pissed.)
Anonymous,
I am 100% certain that either you misinterpreted the information you were given or that someone is lying to you.
If your son attends a school like Turner Tech, Mast Academy or even Robert Morgan (Like Earl Hall) they have the right to participate for their home school in any sport that their Magnet school does not provide. I know that MAST Academy offers Basketball and sailing and some other sports, but if a student at MAST wishes to wrestle instead of play basketball he absolutely has the prerogative to wrestle for whichever school he would normally attend under his boundaries.
I think you should investigate further and create a stink if necessary because I think you are getting hosed.
Spidy, Thank you for your prompt reply. Here is what I am basing it on:
If the student attends a school that does not participate in any
FHSAA Sanctioned sports then they may return to their home zoned school
assigned according to their residence. These are students from Turner,
Morgan, Lakes Tech., New World, and all other small schools with no
athletic programs. If the school offers one sport in an athletic
program, MAST, DASH, and the Mac's (limited as they are) then the
student can only participate in the limited FHSAA sports program at
their school. This is set. FHSAA By-Laws Athletic Transfer Review
Committee (AETRC) according to School Board Rule 6Gx13-5A-1-08 -
Student Transfers: if a student transfers schools after entry in to the
9th grade without changing their residence, they are ineligible for
athletics for one year from the date of transfer. Their eligibility may
be appealed to the AETRC. This is the best rule we have against
recruiting. Model board rule for the state of Florida. This is also
stated in the M-DCPS Student Transfer request form FM 3281, on the
second page just above the parent signature line.
Spidy, thank you for a quick response. here is what I am basing it on:
If the student attends a school that does not participate in any
FHSAA Sanctioned sports then they may return to their home zoned school
assigned according to their residence. These are students from Turner,
Morgan, Lakes Tech., New World, and all other small schools with no
athletic programs. If the school offers one sport in an athletic
program, MAST, DASH, and the Mac's (limited as they are) then the
student can only participate in the limited FHSAA sports program at
their school. This is set. FHSAA By-Laws Athletic Transfer Review
Committee (AETRC) according to School Board Rule 6Gx13-5A-1-08 -
Student Transfers: if a student transfers schools after entry in to the
9th grade without changing their residence, they are ineligible for
athletics for one year from the date of transfer. Their eligibility may
be appealed to the AETRC. This is the best rule we have against
recruiting. Model board rule for the state of Florida. This is also
stated in the M-DCPS Student Transfer request form FM 3281, on the
second page just above the parent signature line.
Anonymous,
I have read the regulations you posted and I will tell you again, if the home Magnet does not provide the sport of choice for your child, your child has the right to play for their home school. I know for a fact that MAST has has students that played football at their home schools because MAST does not offer football.
I believe spidey is correct. I would first speak with the athletic director at the magnet and then his home school. Matbe the can help you. Good Luck!
Thank you gentlemen.
I appreciate it. Now there is only the transportation issue between MAST and his home school. That, I will take up with the coach, I guess. If he could wrestle for a HS it would be huge for him. He took County in MS last year and really wants to.
Anonymous,
I believe where it concerns MAST academy, transportation is typically the issue because of its location. However, it is not unprecedented, and it has been done.
Now the coach may have to make special arrangements for your boy, but you know what they say about special privileges right? There is a sliding scale, the more talented you are the more willing the coach is to allow for the special arrangements; if your son was truly a County Champ then my bet would be on the coach granting special privileges, within reason of course.
Good Luck
Spidey is correct.
Spidy. You think I made up his being "County Champ"?
Grrr......
Anonymous,
I did not say you made anything up, but without confirmation, how could I pose my reply as difinitive?
That would be irresponsible of me.
If I wanted to know who your son was it would not be too difficult. There were only twelve County champs last season, and likely only one of them went to Mast Academy, if I looked back through the archives to KW's County finals post I would see who the twelve were and I could easily figure out who your son is, and if in fact he is a county champ, and if in fact he went to MAST. I could even reveal what his home school should be. Would you like to test my investigative prowess or would you just rather tell us his name? Of course if you'd rather it remain private I will honor that as well? If you'd like to test me privately, you caould also write me privately on the FKu mail system, or at Spiderman_fkn_wrestling@yahoo.com
Grrr...
Anonymous,
I have looked at KW's list from last years counties.
I was able to narrow it down to three just by looking at the list, and then to your son with some quick investigating. In fact he was a county champ, congratulations.
I know which is his home school as well. Good luck the Spiderman will be watching his progress in High School, and I wish you and him the best.
Spidey, I hate to say this but, you are wrong my friend. Please really look into your sources because you are misleading the parent with his kid in MAST. The kid cannot wrestle for his home school. Ask what ever A.D. you know or send Golden an email if you like and ask her. I don't know what kids you are talking about that played football at their home school. I think you made that one up. I would love for the kid to able to wrestle in high school but, he would not be allowed to. It has nothing to do with transportation. Please look into this matter.
Anonymous,
I believe the following guidelines apply.
3. Special Schools: A student-athlete who is enrolled in an alternative school, a school for gifted students, a non-member magnet school with no athletic
program or a vocational-technical school may be eligible to represent in interscholastic
athletic competition the public school in whose zone the student-athlete resides provided the special school is under the supervision and jurisdiction of the
District School Superintendent, and the District School Superintendent submits a
written request to the FHSAA Office for approval of the student-athlete’s participation at his/her home public school.
(e) the student must register with the school his/her intent to participate in interscholastic athletics as a representative of the school before the beginning
date of the season for the sport in which he/she wishes to participate.
Great. So what do I do. I called the home school coach and have not got a return call. Do I have to register my son?
I guess I better get an identity for continuity.
Spidey,
I believe the second to last anonymous is correct. Robert Morgan and Turner Tech are different than DASH and MAST. If you go to a school with ANY sports, then you can only play for that school. It has to do with the fact you are chosing to go to that school, then you are accepting that certain sports are not available to you. This is the same reason why the new K - 8 centers do not offer middle school athletics. Parents are told this when they chose the school, but they don't always pay attention. It is a part of the Public school system. If you were going to a charter school then it would be a different story.
I will check into this situation when I get back to work in the morning.
That Su@ks! It seems rediculous that my son can't participate in the sport he loves in high school because he is a "student" athlete and not an "athlete" who is also a student.
The rational behind the rule appears to be to avoid athletic "recruiting" How the f that is accomplished is beyond me!
Don't get me started on the K-8s. I fought the local ones all along because it is a substandard education and athletic experiance which is pitched to parents who coddle there children... rant...rave... IT'S THE
MONEY!!!!
Well, if anyone can help, I would trully appreciate it.
KW,
We sure would appreciate you looking into this for us. I was under the impression that I was correct in this but now that you cast doubt on it, it could be that I am in fact wrong. It would be great if you could clear it up.
I'm sorry, but this County Champion is out of luck. Since it is a public school and they offer some sports, the athlete is only allowed to play for MAST.
Robert Morgan is different because it offers NO Sports, so those athletes return to their home school for athletics.
I apparenlty logged out, so I'm not going to go relog in now.
KW , Anonymous, Et al,
I stand corrected!
My apologies if I offered false hope to anyone out there, I was of the sincere belief that I was correct when in fact I was mistaken.
Regretably this poor wrestler will have to forgo a promising high school career because of a crappy rule.
I will tell you that if it were my son I would contact the G.M.A.C. and the school board to see what can be done about amending this stupid rule.
Spidey,
It is not a GMAC or Dade County rule, it is a State Rule. This is something that should have been told to the kid and parents at an open house, before he enrolled.
The problem is always going to be that this school was chosen for its academics, therefore athletics take a back seat.
KW,
I understand. That said, I still think it's a $hitty rule and should be addressed. Good luck to that parent and his son, and I hope the rule gets adjusted.
phuck mast. your son will be just as smart at his home school. especially if he got accepted to mast. he should have no problem being in honors and a.p. classes at his home school.
Anonymous,
This rule is just another example of the elitist mentality of the conservative bureaucracy that came up with these rules.
Keep the Geeks and the Jocks separate.
No one ever stopped to think that a Jock can also be a Geek up stairs where it counts.
God forbid a student is also an exceptional athlete; I guess there is no room for someone that intimidating in a school where geek is the norm.
With regard to my son and attending his home school, as I opined, education is paramount-then athletics. It will take him farther in the long run. FYI. he also matriculated to Coral Reef IB program. No slouch, but not MAST (imho).
Athletically he excells in many areas, but he loves wrestling. Rule is stupid. MAKES NO SENSE. Punish an exceptional student by denying him his passion?
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Dad, I understand, but if you are not going to do anything about then stop complaining. If he loves wrestling so much then let him wrestle. Anonymous was right, he will do fine in school where ever he goes.
Dad,
I agree with other anonymous. If you believe he has a future in wrestling then put him in a school where he can excel at it.
I agree education is first but not at the expense of his passion (as you put it)there is room for both, especially when the educational equivalent will be negligible.
There is no difference between a 4.0 at Palmetto and a 4.0 at MAST, they are both perfect.
In fact, the SAT or ACT scores will be the determining factor. I'll give you an example, a student with a 4.0 at Palmetto with a 1500 SAT is considered a better Ivy League candidate than a 4.0 at MAST with a score a 1320. If the kid at MAST also scores a 1500, the fact that he attended MAST is not even remotely likely to be a determining factor.
However, if your kid scores a 1320 and is an elite athlete, and wants to attend and Ivy League school, the fact that his athletic ability is desirable could likely be better received than that of the kid that scored a 1500, went to MAST, but has nothing to offer beyond academia. If you don’t believe me, ask Cesar Grajales.
If you think however that MAST can better prepare him to get the 1500, I have to disagree with that as well. When a student is that smart, the 1500 comes based on how much work he puts in after hours to assimilate the material, it is not a product of the material or the curriculum; it is a product of personal dedication and devotion to the subject matter.
Trust me, I speak from experience.
Got it. I have a Senior at MAST, (he only scored 1480). He scored a 5 on the AP Chem last year. MAST offers a separate Chem Lab to go with AP Chem. This sets up to allow credit at various colleges as a LAB is requires. I will not continue with details. The focus is not on scores that my boys will achieve on standardized tests regardless of which HS the attend, but the courses availabe etc. I do appreciate all the imput. Trust me, was not an easy decision.
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