For some time now there has been a pattern of using injury time for recovery, strategy, and the settling down of nerves by some wrestlers. In private circles some people consider this a strategic move, and believe wrestlers are being coached to do this in order avoid a match ending fall, for coaching instruction, or just for a breather. The more I speak to different coaches about this particular reoccurring situation, the more I find myself straddling the fence on weather it should be considered good strategy employed by the coach or simply a way off your back, much need advice, or a welcome rest by a devious competitor.
Below are some scenarios in which I have personally witnessed this so called “tactic” employed by some of the top coaches not only in Dade, but around the state. I have to reiterate that I do not have a stand on the matter and would just like to hear an open debate on the subject.
Scenario # 1
A tough wrestler has been shooting multiple times against a very good defender with no advantage being taken. The defensive wrestler has reserved his energies in order to initiate his attacks in the last minute of the last period and get that critical winning takedown when the opposing wrestler has been depleted of energy and is close to exhaustion by his constant attacks. This strategy has worked for the defensive wrestler throughout the whole season except that now he is facing more than just an opposing wrestler; instead he is now facing a very good strategic coach as well. With the plan in place the attacking wrestler calls for his injury time within the first 30 seconds of the third period and gets his much needed rest. After taking the full measure of the injury time and using it to not only rest but to strategize he gets up and capitalizes on the defensive wrestler’s inability to attack a well rested opponent and gets the takedown and wins.
Scenario # 2
A wrestler has dominated the whole match from start to almost finish. Somewhere within the match he finds himself giving up a takedown that critically affects his mental disposition and now defeat is eminent. The wise coach in the corner sees the eventual outcome and understands that he must do something to help his athlete regain his composure so he motions his wrestler to call injury time. The wrestler calls it and the coach uses the injury timeout for the settling down of his wrestler. After the injury timeout the aforementioned wrestler is able to finish the match and win when defeat seemed more than just likely but destined.
Scenario #3
A wrestler is leading in a match by a wide margin; say 7 or more point and is still being the aggressor in the match. He attacks his opponent one more time trying to secure a takedown to earn a major decision or better. The defender has been warned for stalling and in fact may have lost some points due to stalling. The defender catches his opponent on the attack and whips him to his back. The offensive wrestler struggle not to be pinned but exhaustion due to the advanced nature of the match has him on the brink, so he whips out the twirly finger gets off his back and wins the match.
Please limit your answer and comments to stating opinions and not attacking or bad mouthing teams or coaches. This is too interesting a topic to allow for personal feelings to interrupt the process of inquiry presented to you as a group
44 comments:
I was winning a match by 12 points dominating the other guy when he got lucky and caught me in a head throw in the third period I couldn't breathe and I said F dis I ain't losing to dis bitch after I just dominated his ass the entire match so was desperate and I stuck my finger out and the ref stopped the match. Do you think I felt bad about it? Hell no I won the title and thats all that matters.
Board,
How many of you believe that including a 30 second timeout would change the outcome of many matches. How many of you would make use of the 30 second timeout if indeed included in future wrestling matches. How about an automatic 5pts. plus near fall points for anyone calling injury time when his back has already been exposed. Some possible rules that may need changing or maybe not, your call.
I was wooping him by 12 he got lucky and I was tired because I had brought all the action to him. I'm not gonna go out like dat. F_ _ K dat. I got off my back started downed, escaped and almost took him down again before time ran out. I won that title, that is what i will always remember. No one can take my name out of the record books.
i believe way more coaches and wrestlers are using it as a way to rest. it has gotten to the point where it is disgusting kinda like watching McCoy jr and ernie eating some apple pie. on a serious note, there should be a stop to it immediately and we can't be afraid to go to extremes. the sad thing is that you have the elite teams doing it. sd does it a lot and others copy what the best do. it's kinda like when balmaceda started wearing leopard thongs, then kw got them, followed by pardo and now osorio. in the end it is up to every coach to teach their athletes that this behavior is unacceptable and if they do it and the coach knows the kid is not injured then you pull him off to the side and ask; what are you doing with that thong on? j/k i meant to say, pull him to the side and default the match.
anonymous, what title did you win? the 3rd annual sweetwater invitational for kids suffering with ballinitist deficiancy. I WON THE TITLE, THEY CAN"T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME. you are so proud you won't even say who you are.
i saw turner with a thong. yuck talk about tan lines.
You think thats bad. I saw the gables coach and the coral reef coach and the columbus coach in thongs.
What's wrong with wearing a thong. I wear one everyday. I spend too much time shaving and applying cream to my buns not to wear a thong. Sometimes when i'm tight from practice I have Duck apply the cream.
Victor Balmaceda
Hey F__k all of you. I don't wear thongs but I do shave my pubes if that matters at all.
Coach Husk
Vic I told you this thong thing was going to get out of hand sooner or later. Pinga brode ahora todo el mundo sabe que me pongo tanga. Baez, me cago en ti cojones. I'll piss on anyone that mentions the fact that I wear a thong again.
Ron Osorio
Joker,
OH! I just got a great Laugh at that until I developed a mental picture of KW, Pardo and Osorio in Leopard thongs, that made me vomit in my mouth a little and you all know how disgusting that is. Balmeceda in a leopard thong while gross does not induce the same vomit reflex, especially when you consider that he really is likely wearing one.
Hey I'm glad you got a alias, welcome to the Blog officially, I for one am glad you are here, comedy and of course laughter are always good.
it is my pleasure to be part of this spiderman. thank you.
Guys, stop with the nonsense ok. I do not have time to be shopping around for thongs and even worse wear one. Especially now that all my time is being consumed by having to dye my hair on a regular basis.
Pardo
I won a state title, but the match happened in the 2nd round. Why do i have to say who i am. If what i did is really so terrible then you should all remember me right. So if you can't remember me then your teories of how disgusting it is and all that just prove i am right and you are wrong. You all know me as the state champ, not the guy who got off his back after some lucky punk who had not done a damn thing all match long got lucky and put me on my back because i was going after him. Not only do i not feel bad about doing that, but i would do it again, no one can question my state title.
i'm starting a new style. I am free balling from now on.
Vic Balmaceda
I wore a thong just couln't see it. Sh!t I couldn't see my own balls.
Angel Vazquez
WOW!!!
This topic quickly deteriorated into a rip session slash comedy skit.
I think Moonie was expecting to get a conversation started onthe topic, and instead it has turned into Yo Mama jokes.
Spider and friends,
I have been trying to type something to get back on point but I can't stop laughing enough to write my thoughts down. That was true until I saw Pardo, Vasquez, Osorio, and Husk, in thongs. Now I just threw up my lunch. LOL.
Back to Point,
I have seen South Dade use this tactic as well as Homestead, American, Columbus, as well as other schools. It does seem that there are schools that use this as a strategy and others that use it only when their kids are tired. If the kid uses injury timeout because he is out of shape and tired then that might actually be considered cheating by some people. Once again there are exceptions to even this rule. If a kid is staggering to the line then there is a high probability that he will get injured if he continues to battle therefore he should be allowed to use his time to recuperate as much as he can to avoid injury right?
There are so many angles and positions that one can take from this topic that a true discussion would be nice to have.
The thong party was great (except for the visuals that it created). Humor is always a good remedy.
i'll get to the point, but one more thing, i just could not help it. i read on a another post that pardo builds closets. now, that just made me think for a second that he could possibly have a bunch of thongs on hangers in his state of the art closets. next, this injury timeout stuff is kinda like cell phones, people have lived without them for the last 10,000 years. there was never this abuse of injury time out the way there is now. we managed not to use it in the 90's, 80's 70's and 60's, for those of you who go way back. if you were injured it was used, but if you were tired you probably lost the match. so i will not accept that idea that it could prevent you from getting injured if you use it to rest. get in the best shape possible and wrestle, if you can't hang then you might just have to lose with some honor, i don't think there is anything wrong with that. then you go prepare yourself for the next one. funny thing is that the coaches that are using it as strategy probably never did it when they wrestled so why teach to your kids because it is in, like the cell phone.
Joker,
Good point but I have to mention that today's kids are not as tough as those back then. Also, coaches have more options now that allows for them to coach a match and control the situation better than they ever did before, at least in high school. In college you see can still see what old high school coaches used to be, they just sit there and allow for their wrestlers to perform and yell out some instructions from time to time. Today, you see many high school coaches taking advantage of the rules given to them, weight management, injury time out, blood time and so on. I think these coaches feel that by extending the rules and at times exploiting them allows for them to be in greater control of the match and its outcome.
South Dade NEver Uses Injury Time Are u Kidding Me ...... Balmeceda gets furious when his Kids do it to get off their Back. So the kids At South Dade Stay off their back. End of Story. Now Columbus 189 Used injury time in the dual meet against South Dade cause he was tired. South Dade Should have won that one.Bitches !!!
Moron, let me remind you, Sanders even used it at states vs Eggers. Whether blama gets furious or not his guys do it. I did not see him furious at Sanders.
Joker,
It's a sign of the times, it's the win a all cost mentality. Honor and integrity be damned, just win baby. That is the simplest way to explain it.
Well if Eggers wasnt moving all the time then maybe his fat head wouldnt collide with Sanders face. That is injury time that must be used. Come on when have you seen a SouTh Dade Wrestler calling Injury time On his back, Maybe your wrestlers have. Dont Hate!!
South Dade used to use injury time alot but I haven't seen them use it that much in recent years and I have never seen one of them use it to get off his back!
rememeber the Days when south dade used to step on thier own shoe laces to get a break when they became untied. Reason number one for taping shoes in Florida. It was an art,
The refs need to have some balls and not let the kids do this. There is nothing in the rule book that allows a wrestler to call timeout. Actual injuries are quite obvious if you are watching the action. Wrestlers finger goes up observe for a few seconds and see if he is hurt. On his back, at least 3 points and maybe 5 if he is not acting good enough. Ref needs to go the corner with the "injured " wrestler. No coaching allowed. No obvious injury and looks like it was called for rest, put them back out and give atleast a stall call. My kid has been burned seveal times on this crap. He has put several state placers on thier back only to have the finger come up. Seasons done and what did he do after school..run steps.You have to be rerady to go a full 6. If not, tough ! Win or lose like a man. Abuse injury timeout and you are a chump! Anonymous poster that said he won the title and does not feel bad. If that is true I will bet that with that attitude your State Championship will lead to nothing. I see your future clearly...want fries with that.
Nice I see the Pace kid working at BK to. Some of these wrestler think its all about winning a state title. Just take a look at all the state champs SD has had most of them did not even go to college or even finish college. ther is always life after wrestling.
Moron the point of going to college is to graduate. What is the point of going to collge if you are going to drop out after a sememter or a year. Maybe KW can write up a list of all the guys they have sent to college and how many actually finished.
Anonymous,
You are way wrong with that, if a ref see's a kid requesting injury time and does not give it and the kid is actually injured, that ref could be liable if anything happens to that kid. When a kid signals for injury time, there is no judgement necessary or allowed by the official, we have to by rule grant the injury time. To do what you suggest would be unethical and could actually cost us our careers. I understand your point, but you can't solve it with letting officials play god in determining through our judgement if a kid is or is not hurt, that will never fly. A better suggestion is a heavier penalty for calling injury time. Two things being considered for next years rule changes is imminent take down which already exists in college, and also a 3 point penalty for calling injury time off your back in addition to any back points earned.
College graduates
Marvin Davis - University of Miami
Eric Brown - Lindenwood with a Masters, now a college coach
Ryan Alfua - Cumberland, now teaching in Georgia
Pat Williams - Arizona State 2 time NCAA Qualifier
Alex Hernandez - North Carolina State 2 time NCAA Qualifier, now teaching at Redland
Eddie Boza - Fordham
Tymer Cooper - got his AA from Harper
Chino Duran - got his AA from Harper, still pursuing his Bachelors
Danny Perez - got his AA from Harper
Still in college wrestling
Raymond Stephens - Lindenwood
David Anguiano - Lindenwood
Still in college as students
Homer Vallejo - Barry
Jonathan Rojas
Alphonso Hernandez
Alfredo Rios
Tramaine Franklin
Chris Glassmer - studying to be a paramedic
Humberto Reyna - already working in the school system as a para, still taking classes
At least went to college and tried
Junior Beaubrun - I believe working for an air conditioning company
Alex Flores - working for Downrite
Danny Anguiano - now working for the post office
Most of these kids go the junior college route, due to test scores. Vic only has so much control, he can get them into college, but he can't make them stay. For these kids their lives and families dictate the need to come home.
I don't know about most of the guys from before my time. In the years that I was there any wrestler that wanted to go away and wrestle in college, was found the college to go to and pursue that option.
Forgot Aldo Victor is still in college.
spiderman,
you said there would be middle school updates. hoaw about some updates and predictions to get the focus away from the negative and back to the posative?
Anonymous,
If you look on the post's you will see that KW had a fine report on the results of the middle school districts.
As for predictions and such, I'm sorry but I am not as intune with the junior high season as I am with high schhol so it would not be prudent for me to make predictions with such ittle knowledge of the wrestlers invovled.
However, if someone else would like to take a stab at it I would certainly welcome their effort, I would even post it on the main board as a new topic.
That was really Angel... I can see him saying that!!
I am not particular to any team or area but I don't like the vulgarity of this site and the visuals you wish to give. Please give us topics and good discussions and no more Vasquez or any other coach jokes.
The Comment that was said about SD was uncalled for. Yes many of those kids are not seen getting degrees to be doctors but how can you blame them when Florida is considered the worst school system in the United States. Many of the Wrestlers have applied themselves to making a difference in their community. I know that because many of those guys have been their to advise me and my other teammates to the best possible route to being a person of high stature. By the way have you been in college recently its not easy. Ohh and how about Brandon's David Craig isn't he ineligible for not having grades no one is talking about that. Why are you hating, because no matter how hard you and your kids wrestle in the room they will never achieve the goals which the SOUTH DADE WRESTLERS have.
THE1&ONLY
Qua qua qua.
Anonymous,
My sincere apologies for the language but I am loath to censor anyone, and though I appreciate your patronage, you are not obliged to read things that offend you.
Isn't great how people don't like the site but they can't help but read it?
Anonymous,
Who said people don't like this site.
I LOVE IT!
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