It is in fact correct that the officials are supposed to write down the actual weight themselves, they are also supposed to write it in pen, and furthermore they are supposed to scratch out all the names of those wrestlers that did not weigh in.
This was the procedure implemented by the GMAC wrestling officials association in 2008.
Any coach that has an alfa master report or a weigh in sheet that does not fit this description should be treated as suspect.
That is not to say that they are cheating, but that they could be.
If in fact such is the case, and a challenges is issued over the weigh in form, the official who presided over the weigh in would have to corroborate that they did not follow the proper procedure, that the signature and handwriting on the sheet is or is not his, and that he remembers the situation and the wrestler in question.
It can get very complicated, and someone will have to pay the price if the procedures were not followed as prescribed.
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I recall some nervous thouroghbred coaches being very nervous at regionals last year over someone calling them out on min. weight. It never happend, but several coaches were itching for a call-out so that they could challenge other wrestlers they believed never made min. weight. I especially remember a cobra with a stack of papers claiming he had the goods on an explorer. The head official even mentioned the situation in the scratch meeting.
If a coach has an alpha sheet that was done by him and not the ref, the ref should have to answer to all questions. Some refs are lazy and do not want to stand there and write down all the weights. If it is a rule they should enforce it. Shit, they are getting paid for the weigh in already. They need to stop being so lazy.
Yes, I agree. I understand refs have a tough job at times, but they chose to ref, no one forced them to. They might as well follow the rules like everyone else.
husk never shit his pants. that smell came from all his bodyguards following him around.
Anonymous,
The Cobra would be Pardo, the Explorer would be husk and you sir would be a coach since you were in the Scratch meeting. I would love it if you were a little more specific, then we could have a nice debate.
That I remember, the only wrestler that Pardo had last year that was relevant was Harris and maybe Castro. Which one of those two wrestlers would columbus have affected for Pardo to challenge Husk?
And if in fact this situation happened, why did Pardo back down and not protect his kid.
Details please...
You are correct, officials are paid for weighins but only for matches with 3 or more teams. Never the less it is an officials duty to recod the weights himself and follow the correct procedure according the GMAC and FHSAA policy, anything less would be negligent.
You are right, I would be a coach since stuff that goes on in the scratch meeting is never told to anyone outside of it. I'd rather be known as the person who is always sticking his nose in other people's business. You know what I mean.
Spidey, are you a coach too?. You know plenty of things that only coaches would know.
Anonymous,
I'm not sure I follow.
You typically stick your nose in others business?
It would be nice if you could be a little more specific about the situation, after all you are anonymous, what do you have to lose?
Tell us what happened, who were the parties involved, and which wrestler or wrestlers might have been in question.
Anonymous,
I am not a coach, but I do speak privatly with manny coaches, not just Miami coaches, but coaches from around the state. I sometimes know what goes on in the scratch meeting but only second hand info and hearsay.
The Anonymous that wrote the post however claimed to having been in the scratch meeting, here is his direct quote,
"I especially remember a cobra with a stack of papers claiming he had the goods on an explorer. The head official even mentioned the situation in the scratch meeting.
The implication is clear, this anonymous person was in the room when the events occured, I was not and would like more datails if possible.
if everyone knows which one of columbus' guys did not make scratch weight during the season last year and then dropped, how can you not know spiderman.
Spiderman you look into words too much.
Spiderman you look into words too much.
Anonymous,
I likely do know, but that was last year, so why bring it up now?
If you want to bring it up and discuss it, that is a different story, feel free.
Anonymous,
I don't look into words, I read into them.
Also, it is what makes me good at what I do, I am very intuitive and am very good at reading people and what they say. You may choose to deny it now, but if you are the anonymous that wrote that post then you sir are a coach and were in that room.
I did not have any problem with coach Husk or the explorers or anyone else last year in regards the weighins. Someone asked me my opinion on the situation and I gave them an honest answer that I will now share publicly for the first time. In 2000 we could have won a state title were it not for a wrestler that was used who did not have 50% of his weighins at that weight, and another wrestler who transferred in from out of town by moving in with his uncle. Back then I was of the mentality that I would not hurt a kid because of something his coach had done, not realizing that I was hurting my own kids. I will not make that mistake ever again. If I am ever in the situation where a wrestler or team stands in the way of my team or one of my wrestlers by illegal means and I am aware of it I will not hesitate to bring a complaint. I will not answer any questions on the subject, of what happened in 2000 so don’t bother, needless to say I may never have the opportunity to win another state title again, but if I did and someone got in my way through illegal means I would not let it slide, and that was my advice to the person I was speaking with last year.
Coach Pardo
Coach Pardo,
Of course I already know the particulars, but I sense regret in your tone. I guess if you had it to do again you would in fact have brought up the charges your self? If I remember correctly, it was Charlie De La Hoz that called Husk out on Marvin Rodriguez if I am not mistaken, only to back down when the godfather barked and nearly spit on him.
Why are you so pessimistic on your chances to build another state contender, have you lost your desire? Are we to assume that your coaching days are nearly at an end? It doesn't seem as if you have forgotten how to coach, but maybe just not putting in the hours you used to. I hope your new assistants can help you invigorate your program. Good luck!
The rules should change to if you make weight you can wrestle that weight.
the rules should change so that we have mat side weigh in.
Anonymous,
Matside weigh-ins would not stop the problem of cutting weight, and that is the ultimate unrealistic goal in all of this.
The thouroughbred in question was the 119 Aguila that dropped to 112 for GMAC. He never made scratch weight at 112, yet wrestled 114 at the GMAC tournament. Other coaches were waiting for someone to bring it up so they could bring up their own arguements.
Anonymous,
OK I did not ot name calling but if you want to play it that way, lets play, you Freggin Moron.
So long as their is a perceived advantage they will cut the weight. Mat side weigh-in will solve nothing, in fact it will only add problems because kids will only be further dehydrated and malnourished.
Do you wat athletes to weigh in matside in their underwear? The Obvious answer is no, so what do they wear, everything they will take out onthe mat with them? Ah... so they will wear less equipment like knee pads and risk injury or further injury if they already had one.
Singlets but no shoes or head gear right? OK Sure no problem now lets sit and wait for them to put on their socks, shoes, headgear, knee pads, etc before the match starts, and make wrestling even more unbearable to the average fan.
OK forget that lets give them a five pound alowance for equipment. Great for Addidas, Brute, Kliff Keene, Asics and others, they can start making super lighweight and very expensive gear that only the rich kids can really afford. I can see it now, Dry fit Singlets that are so light weight they only last a match or two.
You Moron!
I think as far as coaches calling other coaches on the "who made scratch weight issue" could back fire and possibly open a can of worms.
I will give an example or 2. Lets say coach A calls out coach B and says "I would like to see the proof that your 103 pounder made scratch weight once" Coach B replies "Here it is, and here is the referees signature as well." Even if both parties involved knows that the kid did not make weight, Coach B has the documentation supporting it. Furthermore, now coach A is viewed among his peers as a "SNITCH, a RAT, or whatever else one would like to call him. Also, coach A better have his i's and t's dotter and crossed as well because he may be a target by coach B and posssibly other coaches as well in the future.
Or, another scenario may be, that other coaches may start calling other coaches out on their kids.
Bottom line, there needs to be a way of better enforcing these rules if the FHSAA wants to really enforce it.
Cheating coaches will always cheat no matter what the rules. Many many wrestlers this year have not nade scatch and we all know who they are. How ever no one will call them on it so they are safe.
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