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I have noticed there are more votes for other right now than for any of the schools listed, but no one has made mention of what schools they would like to coach at if not one of the schools listed.
Just Curios...
One would imagine that schools with immense potentials would be their schools of choice. Carol City, Jackson, Northwestern, Krop and the like. Although creating your own familia in one of those aforementioned schools is enticing and could give a family great power, you must also recognize that the Mob boss would also be required to teach there. That is something that most don’t really care to do.
Kingpin
Kingpin,
Somehow I feel that your opinion is different from that of the voters so far. If you look at the board leaders so far they are leaning towards Palmetto and South West, which I think is because they seem to offer the best of both worlds, good schools and good athletes.
When I posted the poll my gut was telling me that SD would be the overwhelming favorite, but that is not the case, I never stopped to think that many out their probably and rightfully feel that the type of kids that wrestles at SD might be too much for them to handle.
We'll see how it all works out...
maybe it'd because the kids that wrestle for SD don't belong there to begin with. I would love to see SD build and maintain a program with only those kids walking through the halls that honestly belong to the school.
Anonymous,
SD has tons of talent walking the halls, they could probably build and sustain a winner with just what walks through their doors. However, I don't think they could sustain a championship team year in and year out like they do wihtout some tweaking (Strategic move-ins) but then no one else can either. Not Brandon, not South Ridge, and not Oviedo. I guess SD just figured they better keep up with the Jones's so they don't have to go another 4 years without another ring. The tragedy of it is that the wealth is not then spread evenly, other teams don't have a chance to compete, and the havenots get bitter when all they have to do it become one of the Jones's. Still, not everyone wants to be named Jones, they would just like to win one with their own name, and if that doesn't happen then so be it.
I do not know any wrestling coach who when approached by a parent who may be looking for a great program for their child to wrestle for would not toot his won horn and woo that parent.Vic is as guilty of recruiting as any prominent coach who wants to and knows how to keep a good thing going. The posts that attack the talent pool in the Homestead area are ridiculous and sadly misinformed. Both schools have enough studs in their buildings to field great wrestling programs. Your ability, as a coach/educator, to get the potential studs out of the hallways can boom or doom your career. If you think that kids from that area are going to come to you, you've got a long wait... But if you get them to give the sport a try and also work on getting them to come to school regularly, and work in the clasroom. Then you will see a Ray Stephens, Albert Price, James Conley, Roscoe Brady,Darin Balwin, Curt Dewberry, Marvin Davis, Tymer Cooper,Robert Wimberly, Harry Dukes, James Burgess, Danny Anguiano, Humberto Reyna, Torey Morrison, Matthew Boston, Ashley Jones, Earl Waller, Lamar Irvin, Faion Davis, Daniel Saintil,Eric Brown @ the State Tornament. Vic is a great coach, give him his credit, but don't ever question the talent pool in the Homestead area.
Anonymous,
You threw out some great names there, I remember many if not all of those studs, I agree with 100% about the talent pool in the Homestead area. I also agree that most prominent coaches are likely guilty of recruiting, just look at the names that have won the most and most recent state titles and you will see for yourself, Cozart, Husk, Robbins, and now Balmeceda joins their ranks. That does seem to be modus operandi when it comes to winning for extended periods; it's hard to fault Balmeceda for wanting to join the greats of all time.
You left Sunset, HML, Miami Senior, South Miami, Gables. Just to name a few.
Anonymous,
I did not want to overload the board with teams; if it is the case that people would rather coach at those places it would be nicer to hear it and why than to have it voted on.
While the places you mentioned could certainly be desirable locations, I was aiming more towards the elite locations and programs around the state. My idea was that one would like to go to that location to secure a state title.
Of the teams that I listed all save for American have won state titles or finished in the runner-up position. While I believe that Sunset and South Miami have both had runner-up finishes, neither is recent enough nor did I feel either had the strength of program currently to make that list.
HML, Miami Senior, and Coral Gables have might have 1 top five finish between them.
That is not to say that someone would not like to go to one of these crappy schools not on your list and build a contender. You are talking about where those elite teams are right now. If that was the case why isn't anyone voting for the best schools on your list. Example, Coral Reef would be an excellent program to take over and build. Great kids, great location, great facilities and support, all it needs is a hard working coach, yet it is not on your list. Remember this poll was not your idea. I think from now on if someone has a suggestion for a poll they need to be detailed so that the poll is not bias.
Anonymous,
I respect your position and I agree.
If you want a specific poll it should be sent as such.
coral reef is NOT an ideal place to coach. that school is a real magnet school as in its only a magnet. kids living across the street couldnt go there unless they had a b avereage! richmond middle and that bad ass program couldnt even feed them!
what a crock. no one wants to coach at columbus. the only reason they have a program is because none of those kids belong there. when husk leaves his crew and their children leave then you will be left with the milf's son. stop voting for yourself.
that kids mom is finee.
I would smash
KW
MeDatsWho... If I Can Have my Choice i would pick Miami Beach high School or Booker T...
It's funny how people always think the grass is greener on the other side. Some schools have great atletes, some schools have great parental support, some have a mixture of both. Some have great academics so when you do develop a great wrestler you don't have trouble getting them in college.
Not a knock on the present staff but I think the ideal place to coach is South West HS. I don't know why they haven't won a state title yet. "B" school, centrally located, magnet school, supportive administration, feeder programs (Glades, Riviera), kids program. There is no reason why they shouldn't be in the top 5 in state every year.
Someone please enlighten me on why they aren't living up to expectations.
Doom,
Southwest can't benefit from their middle schools if Darth Husktor gets the young jedis first. That might explain (just a little) why their situation isn't as rosy as you portray it.
Oh, and you gotta wait for the little tiburones to get older. That kids program will prove to be very helpful in about 4 to 6 years.
The same anonymous as the previous post
Coaching, coaching, coaching. I do not care what anyone's situation is. A great coach who wants to win, undestands the big picture, and wants his wrestlers to succeed will find a way to to do it. I don't want to hear any excuses. If the coach has to practice at the park on the grass because he has no facilities then that is what he will do. No one's hand are ever tied. That is just an excuse for the coach not wanting to go the extra mile. Another couple of good one are; the type of kids you get or the kids don't come out for the team. That is your fault. It is your job to build a team from nothing when everything is against you. Bottom line, not all coaches go all out and leave it all out there the way they ask their wrestler to do so on the mat.
I have an answer for your Southwest question Doom. I am very familiar with SW wrestling program. Riviera had their first wrestling team in 6 years 2 years ago and is still in its infant stage. Glades talent pool is dwindleing every year. I am sure darth huskitor is not helping their cause either by landing glades best talent. (Gulesian's). The only talent they have gotten from either middle school in the last four years is the Ramirez brothers. Jonathan Olivera and the heavy from last year were created by Joel. Neither every wrestled before they met Joel. Southwest also lacks any viable youth wrestling clubs that feed it. I think this is their biggest problem. Everyone knows the Homestead youth wrestling program is tops. Every quality wrestler SD has ever had made his way through the Homestead program. Southwest does not have this luxury.
that is right, nothing to say because everyone knows that is what it comes down to. You are either busting your ass or you are not. Everything else is just an excuse to make yourself feel better about why you are not putting in the time and effort required for your team to be successful. Hope you all like the reality check. If you want to win you have to do whatever it takes within the rules ofcourse. Stop pointing fingers. Let the others takes your kids and whatever else is going on. Coach your kids and train them to be mad men.
Mendez ain't the only in his situation. Stop making excuses for him, I don't think he likes that.
Hey guys,
Last year I was the first to say that American would place second at the Regional tournament. After years of busting Notsosorio's balls I finally got on the band wagon. If anyone wants to start a program and turn it into a contender then just look at what he does. From one school to another and still great programs. No middle school, no nothing. I can't stand him personally I guess he reminds me too much of Balmaceda, but you can't knock his coaching.
I agree, NotsoOsorio makes men out of boys. He's really mean. I think we should all go to the park now for practice. He! He!
SMS,
If you would do a little research you would see that they do have a youth program, a pretty good one at that "Miami Sharks". Now I know that they have not reaped the benefits of that youth program yet but that is their OWN fault. Why wasn't it started earlier??? How long has Mendez been there 10-12 years???
As for Glades and Riviera, they were two of the more powerful feeder programs to ever exist in dade county middle school. Whose fault is it that they are dwindling? How do you let a gold mine like those two dwindle?
Whose fault is it that they are losing kids to Columbus?? South West has been consistantly better than Columbus for the last 20 years. How do you lose kids to a lesser program? How do you not have one of "your own" coaches coaching your main feeder. How do you let Riviera die?
Just ponder this for a moment. How good would South West be if they had the 2 soon to be 3 Gulesians boys, the 2 Ramirez', Olivera, Wethy and the other kids that belong to them who I can't think of. Throw in say a Carlos Montero who would go there because he would want to be part of a stud team. Add all other kids Mendez could develop and presto chango you got yourselves a state contender!
So once again I'll ask a dumb question; why is South West not a state contender every year?
osorio is the man. while everyone is giving excuse, he takes these excuses and pisses all over them until they are saturated with his gold, warm, sour urine. then he sprinkles saw dust over the top of the excuses, makes his wrestlers chug it down, followed by an exlax and sends them out in a singlet to whoop your wrestler's ass.
columbus has now jumped on osorio's magic potion. except they feel they have an enhanced version due to the fact that the urine they use is aged like fine wine. so it is not even yellow anymore, it has more of a mohagany look to it.
Hey, Dr.Doom.
What is an atlete?
Firstly Doom, Wethy is not a SW kid. He is from Southwood. Joelangelo Mendeciano has been at SW for 8 years. Get your facts straight my superhero friend. Secondly, Columbus is a far superior school academically to SW. Would you like to argue that point? Lastly, the Sharks youth program has been in existance a little over 2 years, not enough time to build a HS level team yet. Besides Vito inhereted that team which was already highly sucessfull under the former Mr. Michealangelo MCcoy if my memory serves me correctly. I won't even go into the Eric Diaz story.
I want to know the Eric Diaz Story!! Thats Is my Brother! From another Mother
SMS,
You still didn't answer my questions! Why isn't South West in the top 5 in the state year in and year out?
How come South West is losing kids to Columbus?
Why did it take 6-7 years to start a kids program?
Why has Riviera dwindled?
Why doesn't South West have it's own coach or at least asst. coach at Glades?
Why is Columbus far superior then South West because it's a private school? What proof do you have?
Why do you keep bringing up South Dade, we are talking about South West? What does South Dade have to do with South West???
Enlighten us on the Eric Diaz issues you claim to know about.
Doom, I will try to address all of your issues as they are many.
1. Why isn't South West in the top 5 in the state year in and year out?
Answer. Riviera had their first wrestling team in 6 years 2 years ago and is still in its infant stage. Glades talent pool is dwindleing every year. I am sure darth huskitor is not helping their cause either by landing glades best talent. (Gulesian's). The only talent they have gotten from either middle school in the last four years is the Ramirez brothers. Rockway Middle, SW's other feeder does not have wrestling. I stated this previously. Read!
2.How come South West is losing kids to Columbus?
Answer. Secondly, Columbus is a far superior school academically to SW. I stated this previously too. Read my friend the answer is in front of you!
3.Why did it take 6-7 years to start a kids program?
Answer. I have to agree with you on this one. Joelangelo should have gotten his s@#t together sooner on this one.
4.Why has Riviera dwindled?
Answer. No coach until recently. SW had been trying to get a coach in there for a few years. Now they do. This will help them later.
5.Why doesn't South West have it's own coach or at least asst. coach at Glades?
Answer. Glades has a very good coach. He is a Columbus alum. Need I say more or would you like to argue about the origins of Glades coach too?
6.Why is Columbus far superior then South West because it's a private school? What proof do you have?
Answer. No because they are serious about academics and get it done! 99% of their grads go to college. Hey Doom, do you think 99% of the kids from SW or SD go to college? I am dying to hear your answer on this one.
7.Why do you keep bringing up South Dade, we are talking about South West? What does South Dade have to do with South West???
Answer. Let me give you a little history lesson Doom. Where do you think Vito wrestled? Where do you think Joelangelo wrestled? They were both hitmen for Frankie "the needle" Peligrini. It's a small world after all.
7.Enlighten us on the Eric Diaz issues you claim to know about.
Answer. He was recruited from SW to SD. Everybody knows that. I guess you did not no that huh. I sure you did in your infinite wisdom.
I hope this helps you with your issues, but I doubt it will. Maybe you should go coach SW since you know so much. That's right your from SD, Im sorry.
Let's keep it up I love it!
sms,
I have sat back for a while, but I feel compelled to answer some of these questions and comments you have posed.
1. On the Eric Diaz "story", while I wasn't there yet, I had the pleasure of coaching Tico in middle school and high school and several talks with his father. Mr. Diaz has lived off of 312 St between Krome and US 1 for many years. Eric was not recruited from Southwest. I believe you mixed up your wrestlers and you meant to insuate that Ryan Alfua was the one "recruited" from Southwest (the correct way to spell Southwest) to South Dade. From what I've been told there is plenty of documentation as to why he moved schools and home residences (court paperwork and decision).
2. I went to Columbus and taught there for a short time (coached there before my teaching career). In my graduating class of 330, I'm pretty sure that at least 4 graduates did not go to college. I had classmates go to Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn, and MIT, but I also had several go to Miami Dade, TCC, and Santa Fe and quite a few that never went to college. Yes a large number of Explorers go to college, the number is not as high as 99%. I will put the AP and honors classes at Columbus right up there with those at Southwest, Braddock and normal schools in the Public School system. I did not mention South Dade for the sad fact that the "honors" kids that belong to South Dade have been going to Coral Reef for over 10 years and Robert Morgan for about 5 years now. I taught Honors and Gifted classes at South Dade and I had some truly gifted students that can do great things, but I also had kids that didn't belong in those classes. I stand by the fact that an AP/Honors kid will get pushed the same at most of the public schools as they will at Columbus/Belen. But I had the same type of situation at Columbus. I am in no way trying to bad mouth Columbus (I hold several of those teachers in the highest regard), but some of those kids will be sitting in the same Community Classes as the Southwest, Braddock and South Dade graduates. It was very heartbreaking to hear where the students were hoping to go when I was teaching College Algebra (Santa Fe, Orange County, and TCC). I remember looking at the destinations of the senior class of 2001 (the end of my first year as a Columbus educator) and I was a little suprised to see MDCC or other Community Colleges for at least 10 - 20% of the kids. Yes it is a college, but it is not what most parents are hoping for when they are sending their kids to a college prepatory school at the cost of about $5500, plus books a year.
3. Coach Garcia of Glades is in fact a Columbus graduate, but this past year was only his first year as a head coach. He was brought in by Coach Menedez (the old Riviera coach) during George's 8th grade year. Then Coach Menedez left and another teacher was brought in and Coach Garcia stayed. I'm pretty sure that Joel assumed that with Coach Menedez coaching the team he would get the talent, and I don't think Joel knew who Bryan was as Bryan graduated high school shorlty after the Southwest glory days, before any of them started coaching. I also don't think Joel expected to have a public school coach extolling the virtues and benefits of attend Columbus during a Glades practice. This is not a shot at Bryan he was one of my closest friends during my last 2 years of high school and I am glad to see him involved, but once he as in place there was no way Joel could convince anyone at Glades that he should be replaced. So there Joel got burned. If Homestead Middle had still had a program running, there is no way they would have allowed me to take over, but since it was a dead program and my services were offered I was able to coach those kids for 4 years. It is sometimes harder to get back into a middle school that has a functioning program then one that has been shut down for a couple of years.
4. Why did the Miami Sharks start up 3 years ago, because that is when the sons of former Eagle greats were getting to the age where their dads wanted them to wrestle, like Frankie Valdes' son Franco and Tejada's son Saul. It was the same way with the founding of Downrite, Duck's kid was getting of the age to wrestle, but plus the Lugo's were needing to be pushed and they were able to get several families together in Homestead to start a new club and break away from the Homestead YMCA.
I am honored with your presence kw. I am not hatin on SD or anyone else. Vito has built a great program with the help of many. That being said I must disagree with you on the fact that across the board, Columbus students get a better education than any of the aforementioned. Other than that.... Word.
Peace
Here are some interesting notes for your superhero and supervillains notebook.
Doctor Doom is a fictional character that appears in the comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appeared in Fantastic Four #5 (July 1962), and was created by writer Stan Lee and artist Jack Kirby.
After a failed experiment leaves his face disfigured, the brilliant but arrogant Victor von Doom casts a set of armor and sets out to dominate the world, as well as to destroy his archenemy Mister Fantastic of the Fantastic Four. He is the absolute monarch of the fictional European nation of Latveria, which he rules with an iron fist.
Sound like anybody in the dirty south that you know.
Hey, I recent that last comment, my face is not disfigured!!!! My hair line may be but not my face. Brillant, definitly! Arrogant??? What makes you think that? Anonymous who are you Dick Tracy? Sherlock Holmes! All I can say is you got me.
Sincerely,
Victor Von Balmeceda
Your student's ESE is rubbing off on you. It's "resent"
SMS,
Did you know that 79% of all statistics are made up on the spot? 99% of all kids from Columbus go to college, what are you smoking?
Just the fact that you thought Eric Diaz was recruited to South Dade shows me how much you are really informed. You state opinions as if they were facts. 99%of Columbus graduates go to college. Where did you get that statistic from, a Columbus brochure?
You keep telling me to read as if I were ignorant but yet you keep missing my point. I'm not hating on Southwest or Joel Mendez I am just saying that Southwest would be the an ideal school to work at if everything was put into place.
Fact: Riviera should have never been left to die!
Fact: Southwest should have kept a loyal Southwest coach at Glades at all times to deter Columbus from stealing their kids!
Fact: A kids program should have been put into place sooner then 2 years ago. Even before Downrite existed, South Dade or should I say the Homestead area had the PAL or the YMCA.
Fact: Summer wrestling makes winter champions. When was the last time you saw a Southwest kid on a national trip or at a local camp?
Fact: Wrestlers are going to Columbus for the wrestling not the academics. Husk is offering summer wrestling, national trips, freestyle/greco, and of course his legendary status. What is Southwest offering?
We do agree on a one thing though. Like every highly successful program around the nation Balmaceda or should I say "I" have had much help in it's development. South Dade wouldn't be what it is today without the help of Kurt Dewberry (YMCA & PAL), Darin Baldwin (Redland), Wilbert Johnson(Inner-city wrestling camps), Reyna (Downrite/Asst Coach), Anguiano/Lugo (Campbell Dr MS), Whelan(Homestead MS), Duran or Hernandez(MMA school) and so on and so on. But WHO do you think sought after their help? Who do you think put Whelan at Homestead, Anguiano at Campbell, Reyna at Downrite. Coaching isn't always about the X's and O's but rather fostering relationships, delegating powers and DEDICATION throughout the year.
Stop making excuses for why programs aren't as good as they should be. It is completely evident to the people that matter why programs aren't living up to expectations.
Sincerely,
Victor Von Balmaceda
P.S.
I almost forgot to thank Lexus in Homestead, Toshiba Plasmas TV's, Zales Jewelry and Drew Rosenhaus for helping me in the signing of all my new recruits!!!
Doom you are ignorant, you said...
You keep telling me to read as if I were ignorant but yet you keep missing my point. I'm not hating on Southwest or Joel Mendez I am just saying that Southwest would be the an ideal school to work at if everything was put into place.
Any school would be an ideal school to work at if everything was put into place at each individual school. Then we would really have some serious competition around the county and no one would a sure win.
Enough said,
Whose job is it to see to it that everything is put into place? Or at least kept in place! I'm the ignorant one?Come on man try to keep up here.
When Southwest had everything in place they were contending for a state title. They won regional titles. They had 4 kids in the state finals one year. All of this without a kids program.
What happened?
Doom the first time you asked these questions I gave the answer; coaching, coaching, coaching. Come on, I am not ignorant, I see the light, I was the first to respond. Maybe you should go back and read.
I believe what happened is that Mendez's Teenage brother died that year in a tragic accident. If that's not enough to knock the wind out of anyone's sails, then I don't know what is. I imagine A wound like that takes time to heal.
Doom said.
I'm not hating on Southwest or Joel Mendez I am just saying that Southwest would be the an ideal school to work at if everything was put into place.
I agree with this statement. It also takes a team of many adults working together to make what you have described in your previous posts happen. SD has done this like Brandon and Oviedo. If I remember correctly the kids that were in the state finals 4 or 5 years ago were all wrestlers from joel's middle school days except for Abner Nunez. Abner Nunez did not even wrestle until 10th grade and was a stud from the beginning.
Lastly, if Columbus was not better than SW, Braddock, SD etc academically, than why did KW send his kid to Columbus? He's an alum?He likes spending $6000+ a year? Here is KW's statement:
2. I went to Columbus and taught there for a short time (coached there before my teaching career). In my graduating class of 330, I'm pretty sure that at least 4 graduates did not go to college. I had classmates go to Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn, and MIT, but I also had several go to Miami Dade, TCC, and Santa Fe and quite a few that never went to college. Yes a large number of Explorers go to college, the number is not as high as 99%.
I guess he would have to answer that one. Let me see, 4 out of 330 did not go to college when KW graduated. That looks pretty close to 99% to me. I am sorry it is actually closer to 98%, my bad.
Fact: Riviera should have never been left to die!
Agreed. HS only has so much influence over Middle School operations. Joel should have been more pro-active.
Fact: Southwest should have kept a loyal Southwest coach at Glades at all times to deter Columbus from stealing their kids!
disagree. HS only has so much influence over Middle School operations.
Fact: A kids program should have been put into place sooner then 2 years ago. Even before Downrite existed, South Dade or should I say the Homestead area had the PAL or the YMCA.
Agreed. It also takes a team of many adults working together to make what you have described in your previous posts happen.
Fact: Summer wrestling makes winter champions. When was the last time you saw a Southwest kid on a national trip or at a local camp?
Agreed. Vito and his entourage are much more active than anyone in Dade HS wrestling except for Columbus.
Fact: Wrestlers are going to Columbus for the wrestling not the academics. Husk is offering summer wrestling, national trips, freestyle/greco, and of course his legendary status. What is Southwest offering?
Agreed. Although, Old man Lazaro who runs the sharks has been putting more effort into this area.
P.S.
I almost forgot to thank Lexus in Homestead, Toshiba Plasmas TV's, Zales Jewelry and Drew Rosenhaus for helping me in the signing of all my new recruits!!!
This statement say's it all Dr. Doom. Fix your face while I choke out another puppy.
By the way Mendez's little brother did die that year just before the state tournament. This was a crushing blow to him and his program. I still don't think Joel has fully recovered. May he rest in peace.
Here is another one. Where did Eric Diaz wrestle in middle school? Just curious.
I'm not sure he wrestled in middle school being that he weighed about 50 pounds and all. Where do you think he wrestled?
Your the man with all of the answers. You tell me. I am sure he did not weigh 50 lbs as an 8th grader. Come on man.
Alright I'll take a stab at it, uhhhhhhh Homestead Middle? What's your point?
Wow your right, what a conspiracy! A kid from Homestead Middle ends up at South Dade, damn did you solve the Watergate scandal too? Hey who shot President Kennedy?
You know who else wrestled for Homestead MS and attended South Dade; Saintil, Davis, McCoy, Brown, Lester, Hernandez, Williams, Sulieman, Baez, Watson, Villanueva, King and a dozen other studs I can't come up with right now.
I sense that you think you know something that you really have no clue of!
Once again tell US the BIG CONSPIRACY THEORY about Eric Diaz? How does that Nike taste right about now?
Sms,
I don't have any children. I have never sent anyone to Columbus. My father sent me to Columbus. When I have kids they will attend public school. That is one of the funny rumors that the 112 pounder is my kid, he is not.
Dr. Doom is correct about Eric Diaz, he wrestled at Homestead middle school. As I said earlier I believe you are referring to Ryan Alfua. He wrestled in middle school at Riviera with Ricky Perez, Wesley Woodrome, and other studs that went to Southwest.
In 2004 when Southwest won GMACs, that is the year that Mendez's brother died. Southwest won GMACs right after that.
I like Nike. They are delicious. Maybe KW is correct about the kids name and I am mistaken. My sources tell me different. So be it. You made the same mistake by saying that Alex Wethy was a sw kid. Here is your post.
Just ponder this for a moment. How good would South West be if they had the 2 soon to be 3 Gulesians boys, the 2 Ramirez', Olivera, Wethy and the other kids that belong to them who I can't think of.
It's funny how you only respond to a few points and tuck your tail on the rest with silence. KW himself confirmed what I said about Columbus's graduation rate and academics in his earlier post wether he wants to admit it or not. Do the math. Again, it is right in front of you doom.
Sms,
I said AT LEAST 4 of my fellow graduates did not go to college. I didn't not say ONLY 4 did not go to college. The number is probably between 90 and 95, but as I also said please remember that a College Prepatory school should not be sending 10 - 20% of its graduates to Community Colleges.
The Phaze 2 Crew is not getting a better education than students in a public school.
Seriously KW, lets say its 90%. The aforementioned public schools are lucky to graduate 50% of their 9th graders from High School much less send them to college. I totally disagree with you on this point. What is this a SD forum or something. You want me to be a good little boy now and roll over Doom. When Gorillas fly baby.
Dr Doom, maybe SW hasnt won a title yet because they dont have the kids parents from the feeder programs, hold their kids back 1-2 years to get the age advantage. Maybe also because they actually try to wrestle the kids they have and not others. Most of SDades kids will be 19 almost 20 when they graduate. BTW Where is Tico attending school? I have no problems with parents transfering schools for a better education, but 2 holdem back is r'tarded.
sms seems like another smug columbus a$$hole that is feeding more kids to huskator
it is kinda sad that varona has held his back kid 2 times and he is where he is now. he is lucky he is still a freshman because if he was a junior like he is suppose to be he would suck.
anonymous (3rd from the bottom).
In my five years at South Dade, not one of our wrestlers was held back in elementary or middle school for athletic purposes. The only wrestlers who were graduating at 19, had actually failed a grade somewhere along the way. Most of the studs were still 18 at graduation like Tico and Rat and the ones before them.
I will not comment on Nestor's decision, that is a decision made between Nestor, his wife and his son and should be left at that, although I will say his son was only held back 1 year. This a process that the parents in the Brandon Wrestling Club have seemed to master and look how it has worked out for them. Just an example one of the BWC's 1A State champs was driving in 8th grade last year, while a 3A state champ still hasn't turned 16 and going into the 10th grade. The Redshirt is not common Dade, but it also doesn't mean it is wrong. It is just a parental decision.
As for Tico he is at Waubonsee CC, just outside of Chicago. At South Dade the athletes aren't pushed to D1 schools right away, they are placed where they can get what they need to advance. Look how it worked for Pat Williams and Alex Hernandez both went the CC route, placed at CC Nationals, then went to D1 and each qualified for the NCAA Tournament 2 times. Ray Stephens won a NJCAA Championship and finished 2nd the other time and he is now at Lindenwood where he won a NAIA Championship last year. Look at the roster and see how many Studs that went D1 and couldn't hack it are now at Lindenwood. I know they don't get the press by going the Community/Junior College route, but most of them are able to make the jump further. Look in the past 4 or 5 years at all of the can't miss D1 prospects from Florida that have not made it on the National scene. For every Cesar Grajales, Franklin Gomez, Justin Fraga, and Kenny Lester, they each have several high school teammates that seemed to crash and burn and leave their D1 schools to points unknown. Maybe this was a serious question, but I saw it as you taking a shot a good kid, who is doing what he needs to get to the next level.
Varona is suppose to be a junior. Trust me.
I just went all the way through Isaiah's records, he only repeated 1 grade. TRUST ME. He just turned 15 in August, so count with me, he will be 16 his sophomore year, 17 his junior year, and 18 his senior year. He COULD have been held back 1 more year and still be eligible for the State tournament his senior year, but they didn't do it. He started Kindergarden right after turning 5.
you are looking at the wrong records kw. he is 16 i wouldnt be surprised if they forged his age already.
What happened to Noffo? I thought he didn't lose to to wrestlers who have never been to the states. He got spanked by SD at the wrangler tourny. What was the point of going to Columbus?
All,
My apologies, I was out of town last week and this topic seemed to catch fire. There are many things that I would like to respond to but it seems I will be playing catch up for too long so I will let it rest.
However, I would like to address one topic with SMS. I wholeheartedly disagree with your position on the Private VS Public education. The comparison you make is not only logically flawed, but they have an elitist quality that does not sit well with me or anyone able to reason the inference you are making.
A College Prep school like Columbus by its very nature is designed to crank out academically superior students, but the fact is that the numbers do not support your premise. More students go to Ivy League schools on scholarship from the public sector every year than from the private sector. In fact, Hialeah High School (not exactly known for their academics) just sent 6 scholarship students to Ivy League schools last year alone, and they are only 1 Dade School. Did Columbus have 6 Ivy League scholarships last year?
The advantages at Columbus are numerous, from small class size to personalized instruction, to a structured environment conducive to education; at Columbus there is a required entrance exam (wink wink for elite athletes) and if you don’t pass you don’t get in, while most public schools taken anyone breathing.
When public schools are allowed to pick and choose from the best available students (like Mast and Dash) they actually kick Columbus a$$ where academics are concerned, and their College bound rate is on par if not superior to Columbus’s.
If you ask me, the 8K you spend at Columbus could be better invested if you sent your kid to one of the elite public school; of course if your kid is not smart enough to get into one of the elite public schools then you can compensate for that deficiency by paying for it at Columbus.
In general AP classes at public schools have nothing to envy Columbus, so don’t skew the numbers by telling us what percentage of Columbus grads go to college, Columbus is a college prep school, if only 99% of those kids go to college, all it means is that Columbus is failing 1% of its enrollment.
Hey Anonymous,
Rocky Cozart, Joey Cozart, Ceasar Grajales, Eric Grajales to name just a few were held back. Tell me how their careers have panned out. Maybe you don't know so I'll tell you; 11 State titles soon to be 13 between them all and 4 full rides to Division I wrestling programs equaling about $440,000. Now you tell me what is retarded about that. Do you think they care about your public criticisms? They are laughing about it all the way to the bank.
KW is right every kid is different. Very few kids are truly ready for a D1 setting right out of HS, especially academically. Holding your child back is a parental decision and should not be questioned by outsiders. Although I would not do it myself, every kid is different. Some kids are late bloomers, some are studs as freshman and never recognize their potiental.
That was Javier Carbajal that beat Noffo. He is south dade's 3rd string wrestler at 112lbs. Damn south dade's jv wrestlers are beating columbus's state placers. Noffo must be going to columbus for that stellar education because he hasn't gotten any better in that wrestling room.
Leave Matt Noffo alone. To ridicule him is to stomp on a great kid who has been a victim of adult criticisms and jelousies. He is doing all that he can to accomplish his dreams. I dare say that he would be even worse had he stayed at Coral Reef. Accuse the coaching staff or even the parents for choices made but leave the kid alone. He is a great kid who has been caught in the middle.
Moonie,
I agree with you on this, the child is but a victim of the poor decisions made by his father. I wish him well, but I believe the recent results are just foreshadowing of the events to come.
You are right Noffo is a great kid. Goes to show you the grass is not always greener on the other side. But Noffo was not the only victim to South Dade's 3rd string 112. He also beat Miller AM, Guzman MH and the kid from Belen in the finals. What happened to those guys?
The Dirty South is stacked that's what happened! Any other stupid questions.
Now Carbajal is the next state champ at SD. Who did he beat? No one. Noffo 103 pounder last year, Miller jv last year, Guzman 1st match in 9 months, Belen I don't need to go any further. Let the season progress a little more.
who said carbajal was the next state champ at south dade he probably won't even make the varsity and that is the point. he beat columbus's #1 recruit, miami high's best wrestler, one of belen's best wrestlers and a decent kid from american. now what is the purpose of transfering to another school if you ain't going to get any better.
I hope Carbajal breaks the line up because all those guys will beat him when it counts.
carbajal started wrestling in 9th or 10th grade noffo started when he was like 8 years old. noffo has been to 20 wrestling camp, 10 national tournaments, has been to state and placed and is coached by the legendary jim husk. carbajal has been to none of the above but has been in the south dade wrestling room wrestling the best in the state day after day. it goes to show you that money and traveling to national tournaments ain't everything. at least guzman has an excuse because he hasn't wrestled in a tournament in like 9 months.
south dade has better coaching, a better wrestling room, better strength of schedule, better technique, better athletes, they wrestle year round and you guys wonder why kids want to transfer there.
give the devil his due. South Dade did well with their new crew.
Questions, 1.How did Columbus look? 2.How did American look? Will any of them be able to compete with South Dade?
Spiderman, I respectfully must disagree with you as well. I am hardly elitist, just a realist. I can't afford Columbus anyway, its to expensive for my wallet. All of you superhero dudes are in a hurry to point out that wrestlers are going to Columbus for wrestling and not academics. Just like wrestlers are flocking to SD for its wonderful magnet program. Yeah Right!
SMS,
What is your fasination or obsession with South Dade? You bring up their name in 8 of your last 10 posts? The subject is not even about South Dade and you feel the need to bring them up. Did one of their kids spank your son or something? I sense alot of resentment in you.
"Every quality wrestler SD has ever had made his way through the Homestead program. Southwest does not have this luxury".
"Besides Vito inhereted that team which was already highly sucessfull under the former Mr. Michealangelo MCcoy if my memory serves me correctly. I won't even go into the Eric Diaz story".
"Hey Doom, do you think 99% of the kids from SW or SD go to college? I am dying to hear your answer on this one"
"Enlighten us on the Eric Diaz issues you claim to know about.
Answer. He was recruited from SW to SD. Everybody knows that. I guess you did not no that huh. I sure you did in your infinite wisdom".
"What is this a SD forum or something. You want me to be a good little boy now and roll over Doom. When Gorillas fly baby".
"Just like wrestlers are flocking to SD for its wonderful magnet program. Yeah Right"!
Go back and read the post and NOT one time are you asked about South Dade yet you feel the need to bring them up everytime. KOO KOO, KOO KOO, KOO KOO.........
just a little info mark and george wernt in the sw area anyway quit crying there was nothing to speak of when husk took over at columbus this program is being built with hard work same as he did at SR i have seen him pull kids out of the hallways so as not to forfit matches every where he has been cruley,sw, sr,columbus he has had success why do you think his old wrestlers bring thier kid to him
SD is the number one wrestling program in South Florida, correct? If I can't talk smack about the best then who should I talk about Doom? Ferguson? That would be fun. You should be glad I'm talking. Obviously you are in some way associated with SD and I have offended you. Sorry:(.
Have a great season bud :)
SMS,
You did respectfully disagree but you did offer any point of rebuttal.
I offered several well reasoned and well documented grounds by which a Public school education for the elite student might in fact be superior to that which they might receive at Columbus.
It is OK that you disagree with me, but the least you could do is provide some basis for said disagreement.
You may have what ever opinion you wish of the public school system and how it relates to that of the private sector, but I don't think you could get the facts to back you up.
I did not mention in my last post that Public school educated students tend to be more inventive, more creative, and more pioneering that their Private school counterparts.
Public school educated students are more likely to be the risk takers and have more original concepts as well.
Private school students are more likely to take over daddy's business than they are to create Google or a YouTube for example.
No offense but there is many elitist that hide under the banner of realist. Like those that state that Black kids are not as smart as other kids, when in fact the poor performance of black students is more reflective of the socio economic standard, and also some cultural issues, but it has nothing to do with their ability to learn.
I am not saying you are an elitist, but if you were you would likely not be able to recognize it. People that deal in absolutes like saying something is real because it appears real to them but are not supported by the fact are typically elitist.
This sounds harsh or like I am coming down on you but I am not, I just want to understand how you come about your statements because if you do not come about them by facts them you are an elitist.
Ever heard the saying "you can't see the forest for the trees?" It's difficult to assume the scope of the forest; the trees are not the same in all of the wood, though they be the same to you.
Respectfully,
Spidey
Wow I hope you're not a parent of a kid or a kid that attends Columbus cause your spelling, puncuation and grammar is hurting dog. That Columbus entrance exam must be a bitch. Husk is doing at Columbus the same thing he did at Southridge, you can say that again. He recruited at Southridge and low and behold he is doing it again at Columbus.
Huskator knows how to put together a sucessful wrestling program without a doubt. His body of work speaks for itself. He put's in more time than any other coach. SD is still going to whoop them though. The only chance Huskator has is to take down the buccaneer while an eagle, bulldog or a patriot steals his gold. Highly unlikely though.
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Spiderman,
I am not a Columbus man. I am a SW man.
That being said I have met all of their coaches, seen all of their new facilities and observed them over the past several years. I am friends with many Columbus alum who feel the same as I do.
1. The discipline at Columbus is 10 times better than any public school because trouble makers and distractions are removed. The Catholic priest and little boys thing still scares me though.
When was the last time you were in a public school on a daily basis? Did you look around and notice all of the chaos. I do everyday. It's not like it was 20 years ago Spiderman. The things I see now on a daily basis would have gotten my a$$ kicked in by the coach or some other male faculty member when I was in school.
2. Smaller class ratios afford more individualized attention to all students who are in need. In a public school they would be funneled through the ESE department so the school could recieve more funding and the child forgotten.
3. No girls. This is also a distraction for any heterosexual teenage male. I know I get distracted still when I see a gorgeous philly.
4. I am not going to get into a numbers battle with you spidey as I do not have any access to this information. KW stated in his previous post that the graduation rate is between 90-95%. This number is much higher than any public school. Again, this is your guy's information I am pointing out to you not mine.
There is your rebuttle sir.
Have a great day:)
Yeah thats right doom amd spidey SD has been a recruiting magnet school since the 90's they took Alex hernandez from Mexico HS,Daniel Perez from Sunset,Eddie Boza from robert is here and shaun King from Whitetown HS.In fact they tried to get Tico and Eric to transfer out of the SD district so they could recruit them back just to practice but when Balmoceda found out that their dad was a rep for Hair Club 4 Men he changed his mine. So there.
SMS,
I do not want to get into an argument with you, but you seemed to ignore the points I made and the arguments I expressed merely so you may proceed with what I now feel is an erroneous opinion hastily formulated.
I guess we are just going to disagree on this because no matter which way I explain it I don't think I can affect your position, and sometimes that is just that way it goes.
Good day to you sir.
sms wanna be,
I would like nothing better than to be able to understand what you were saying and what you were talking about. However, at this stage in my life I am neither willing to take the mood altering substances I would need to understand you, nor am I willing to dumb my self down to that level to get you. Since I don't clearly see any other way to it, I am apt to dismiss your post altogether.
sms
your credibilty here is diminishing. you might have graduated from sw but are just another explorer in priests clothing. stop discounting public education. is it true that you are catching the explorer bug with your own program?
George Gulesian and Mark Gulesian belong to Killian not SouthWest.
No...gulesian boys belong to SW.
South Dade also srole one of Browards best they got the immortal Juice Box from South Broward
How sure are you that the Gulesian brothers belong to SouthWest?
I have independant confirmation from a reliable source that the Gulesian brothers do in fact belong at Killian.
You are correct Spidey. The Gulesian's live right next to Darth Huskitor. I know this to be fact. They are in the Killian school district. I to used to think that they were in SW district, but I was incorrect. I have researched it. I will not post the address due to privacy issues.
SMS
Thank you for verifying my information, and thank you for the discretion in not posting their address
who gives a $h!t where they belong. they are at columbus and no one can do anything about it. why don't you all stop wasting your time because that is all you are doing. always complaining and trying to figure out who belongs where and in the end you can't and you don't do $h!t about it.
If the posting of personal information persists I will be forced to set the blog to only allow those registered to post.
Of course anyone can register and still remain anonymous, and that would be favorable anyway so if that' s what you are pushing for, that's what you will get.
Once registered if you post personal information I could of course block that person from posting which I would never consider doing unless you are posting personal information or breaking any other of Googles rules.
I have already considered doing that but I have wanted to leave the Blog as open as possible.
Please spot posting personal info or there will be no more post's under the anonymous lable.
This is Killian Senior High Schools Address!! The Spiderman that knows all didn't know that? What is sooooo personal about a PUBLIC SCHOOL ADDRESS?????
10655 SW 97TH AVENUE
MIAMI-DADE, FL 33176
SPIDEY GOT HAD!!!!!!!!!!!1
Who gives three Fuks about Killians Address. Why would you post that anyways.
OK I was had, you got me.
Tee Hee,
I do not make it a habbit of memorizing addresses, and Killian is not a place I frequent, as their wrestling program is less that formidable.
Like I said in the last post, you pulled off a prank on the Spiderman, good job.
Crazy,
Welcome aboard, I'm glad you have joined us, registered, and added yourself as a follower.
However, please try to refrain from using profane language. I will not delete your post as the spelling was creative, but I'm sure you could find betters ways to express yourself.
I hope to read more of your post's real soon.
I understand and will refrain from using foul language sorry about that.
Look SD has had plenty of JV wrestlers that could beat most if not all the Varsity wrestlers in Dade County. They either never made the line up or decided to quit before their senior years realizing that the heart break of never making the line up was evident.I have seen a new kid from SD succeed year in a year out even if they had never wrestled before in their lives. We work hard out there
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